Comments on Lagonda in English: True Islam

There are probably not even six Nobel prize winner...

2007-09-03T10:48:00.000-07:00

There are probably not even six Nobel prize winners who are Muslim. Several of those frequently cited as "Muslims" are in fact Christians from Muslim countries with Muslim-sounding names. Here are a few Nobelists who are frequently falsely claimed to be Muslim:

Peter James Medaway -- of British and Lebanese Christian descent

Elias James Cooley -- Lebanese Christian

Ferid Murad -- of Albanian Muslim ancestry, but he emigrated to the US and converted to Christianity.

Albert Camus -- born in French colonial Algeria, of Christian European paretns.

Abdus Salam -- he was an Ahamdi Muslim from Pakistan -- but his sect is considered "non-Muslim" by Orthodox Muslims.

Mr Anonymous,While I respect your right and freedo...

2007-08-29T06:46:00.000-07:00

Mr Anonymous,

While I respect your right and freedom to practice a faith of your choice, please do not dabble in scientific matters and extrapolate them to some of the rituals you practice to make the practice of your faith respectable. With out such extrapolations and half-baked explanations also you command my respect more for your arguing skills. But that unwanted scietific allusions you tried into the arguments made me laugh heartily at your ignorance!!!Obviously science is not your cup of tea so never ever try to play with it.

All that you have said about kidney ailments and blood purification etc in your posts can be proved absolutely wrong and out and out psuedoscience.You have amply proved that its very easy to brain wash people indoctrinated in Islam.

After seeing India cropping up in the posts, I tho...

2007-08-28T06:41:00.000-07:00

After seeing India cropping up in the posts, I thought I would write my views.
I am an Indian Hindu. I have this to say. The points raised by Mr.Lagonda are indeed what I keep asking my self very often about true Islam. Mr Anonymous do not get into aggressive nose thumbing by pointing out that European culture is dying. While I do not deny any of those issues raised by you on mass slaughter of Incas, Aztecs and other cultures by some greedy Europeans , I do not agree with you that all Europeans are barbarians muslims are morally superior.

I see the Europeans as a people with a spectrum of behaviour ranging from ultra barbarianism to highly enlightened. One can see such scum as bad as Nazis and also great thinkers like B.Russel and scientists as Isaac Newton among the Europeans. The values of democracy, secularism and wonderful contributions of science- which incidentally helped you to tap that middle east oil to become rich and militant- all owe to the European science. No doubt it is the mad among them who initiated the World Wars and holocaust but it is also they, the enlightened and responsible among them, who brought these wars to a stop unlike your jihad with no one to question. What I mean to say is that unlike the Europeans muslims are amorphous and monolithic in thinking and behaviour in narrow band of spectrum which unfortunately falls outside the pale of universal human values.

Though we in India have very old civilisation, I consider the European arts, science and culture as ultimate in maturity and expression. They have made our lives liveable and worthwhile.
Even the British colonial rulers were certainly fair minded and mostly just in their dealings despite some of their excesses here and there . The prevailing prosperity in their erstwhile colonies speaks of the values they nurtured and lived for. Would any muslim ruler have relinquished claim to Hong Kong like the British did a decade ago by honouring their earlier 100 year old covenance ?
The 800 year muslim rule in India was unjust rule and hopelessly one sided, and favoured only the muslims by law, which is unthinkable with the Europeans. It is they who brought an end to that inequality before law that prevailed in India then. Muslims have destroyed our temples and culture by forceful conversions.The glorified Moghuls looted our wealth and subjugated by taxing us for practicing our religion. Even now muslims take pleasure and long to subjugate other people. Look into a para of an article that appeared in a pakistani daily that appeared in an Indian daily.
“In an editorial published in the Jamaat-e-Islami-affiliated Daily Jasarat’s August 19 Friday supplement, the newspaper demanded that the “slogan of jihad should reverberate in every nook and corner of Pakistan. If Pakist an allows jihadis to infiltrate into India then Kashmir could be liberated in six months.
Within a couple of years the newspaper asserted, “the rest of the territories of India could be conquered as well, and we can regain our lost glory. We can bring back the era of Mughal rule. We can once again subjugate the Hindus like our forefathers.”

The URL of whole article is given below.

http://www.hindu.com/2007/08/28/stories/2007082861731000.htm
Coming to the point Mr Anonymous, please do not think that the Europeans are impotent. They are civilised and at least want themselves to be seen civilised. Their society works with belief in rule of law and doing politically correct deeds. If they want they can kick all the muslims out of Europe in no time. But they are caught in the web of their own moral values, which you unabashedly consider as meekness and say with glee, 'you Europeans are going in for decline and trouble'. Your wishing of decline of a thriving and glittering civilisation amply proves that you are NOT universal in thinking.
And that itself proves you are less civilised than the Europeans and that’s exactly what the non-muslims fear of muslims. You resort to wrecking at the slightest opportunity. Where is your superiority?
I am quoting Mr Loganda again-
"Higher morality should make a person meeker, and more tolerant. To me, higher morality should cause a person to act wisely and profoundly, even, or rather, especially, in crisis situations; that a person under pressure does not instinctively think of himself, but is able to, leaning on his higher insight, maintain a relative outlook."
As an alien Asian I would rather repose faith in this man( Loganda) than you (Muslim anonymous) who see glee in others’ suffering.
Remember if that comes to such a passé as you gleefully wish, Europeans still have the capability to nuke you guys before you can even realise. What do you have to fight except killing innocents in parks and malls like cowards?
If you have the mettle take the west on the terms of scientific might and technological prowess and defeat them in a straight forward Dharma yuddh ( Fair War) and if you win in it, well you indeed deserve all that you brag of.

Lagonda, I hate to tell you but you are being infl...

2007-08-28T03:17:00.000-07:00

Lagonda, I hate to tell you but you are being influenced into exactly the behaviour you are showing. The trick is to bombard your blog with nonsens (just to irritate you a little and get you warmed up) and then come up with simple but outrageously offensive arguments, stated in a seemingly polite and calm manner. For example we should all roll over and submit to the muslims because peace is for the bold. After the just reply that his advice is a cowards', he will simple state the exact same thing over and over in exactly the same manner, with you either replying more and more angrily every time. The alternative being his comments to go seemingly unchallenged.
In the mean time your blog is going from an intelligent and whitty analysis to an abusive (four letter words) and extremist site. Which is exactly what his objective was.
So my advice once again: delete the nonsense from your blog. Your opponents' sites don't show your side, why should your blog show your opponents opinion?

Angelo

Dear Christ,Is someone in love with the logical fa...

2007-08-27T12:15:00.000-07:00

Dear Christ,

Is someone in love with the logical fallacy of Tuo Quoque or what?

Tactic number one: flood the comment section with irrelevant nonsense about European/Western history as if it means anything regarding the nature of Islam.

Tactic number two: deny Lagonda has arguments as if such denial is in itself proof that there are no arguments to refute.

You're going to have to do better than that, Jesus follower.

Let me give you an easy example, although i doubt you'll understand:

Murderer #1 is on trial. His lawyer says the district attorney and the judge have no right to judge, since they are Europeans and as such, descendents of a "bloodthirsty" race themselves.

Question: Will this "defense" be regarded as legitimate and will murderer #1 go free? Yes or no?

Duhhh... Sleep tight and don't choke on your concept of "sins of the father",us non-believers in totalitarian religious or ideological dogma won't bite.

Hey Lagonda,Look what u think of islam doesnt real...

2007-08-27T09:37:00.000-07:00

Hey Lagonda,
Look what u think of islam doesnt really bother me, because we as muslims beleive in islam, i will onnly tell you that islam is for the welfare of humanity if followed properly, Few examples 1 u non muslims don't beleive in circumsion and u have a prrof that circumsision helps in preventing aids to an extent. I dont think you have a child nor ur married also but wen u have one . Ask him to follow a few things . ASk him to drink water not when he is standing or eat food while standing.ASk him to sit n drink water only, he will never face cardiac problems, Ask him to sit and urinate , he will never have kidney ailments, i cant ask u to ask him to pray early morning Paryer as that helps in blood circulation as early morning sun rays help in circulation of blood beter. This is islam for u but u will never accept it . Islam can never teach anyone to kill any innocent human being its just some people in our society are not following true islam , thats the biggest problem of muslims these days. and hence u see suicide bombings everywhere. Anyways Muslims beileve that this world is gonna come to an end and truely with all these are the signs that yes this world will come to an end soon.

OMG!Our white empire is crumbling... Who cares, th...

2007-08-27T08:23:00.000-07:00

OMG!

Our white empire is crumbling... Who cares, that we're white you ignorant sucker? What matters is that we're civilized peoples. Don't you prefer modernity over barbarism? Btw, what country are you from, cloud cuckoo land?

Our empires may collapse, so what? Our Western civilization will not. Get serious, we've been here for over 3000 years and we are here to stay. Things may crumble a bit, but we will find a way out. We always do, we always will.

"You people better live at peace with them"

I live at peace with everyone --- muslims too. However, if people want to enslave me, or tell me what to do I protest and fight. Not so strange right!

In the 30s people like you appeased the nazi's. In the 70s the communists and now you're afraid of a new danger. Well, I am not afraid. I am not gonna listen to guys like you. You're not a man, you're a wimp. You refuse to fight or to stand up for your rights. I have nothing but contempt for an attitude like that.

Oh and just so you know. If things change for the worse very quickly, they can change very quickly too. In that sense, fast decay is even preferable over slow decay.

Birth rates dropped since the 70s after abortion legislation, the pill, Malthusian fears, feminism, female participation in the workforce, smaller families, etcetera. So, no wonder these rates dropped! Third world countries don't have all that, all they do, is breed, breed, breed.

PS

Bogus site you got there.

Wow, Lagonda!Two days and already 30+ comments.I s...

2007-08-27T04:00:00.000-07:00

Wow, Lagonda!

Two days and already 30+ comments.

I see you even stumbled upon some socialist madman. Completely insane, incoherent, stupid and dimwitted comments.

Europeans: Christian genocidal peoples. How wonderful.

But rest assured. Even if Europe collapses, we will rise again. Our culture will go on in America and the Far East.

Jimmy

Lagonda, since 'anonymous' keeps throwing Christia...

2007-08-27T02:45:00.000-07:00

Lagonda, since 'anonymous' keeps throwing Christianity back in your face, what is your offial take on it anyway? It would be very unfair if you had to defend your cristism on one invasive culture from accusations directed toward another, which isn't yours to begin with.

Nogmaals de link in stukjes (url code wordt niet g...

2007-08-27T01:09:00.000-07:00

Nogmaals de link in stukjes (url code wordt niet geaccepteerd):

http://www.thememriblog.org
/turkey/blog_personal/en/2595.htm

@Lagonda,laatste post hier ('k kwam eigenlijk alle...

2007-08-27T01:04:00.000-07:00

@Lagonda,

laatste post hier ('k kwam eigenlijk alleen voor Eng. suggesties). Breaking News!

Over de veelgeroemde 'gematigde islam'. Sluit mooi aan bij je artikel:

PM Erdogan: The Term “Moderate Islam” Is Ugly And Offensive
There Is No Moderate Islam

Bron:
http://www.thememriblog.org/turkey/blog_personal/en/2595.htm

Let wel: de 'gematigde' onderhandelingspartner (volgens de EUlitaire politieke kaste) uit Turkije prijst dus indirect alle sites die de gevaarlijke flauwekul over een 'gematigde islam' debunken. Veel van deze sites werden onlangs door de NRC op een proscriptielijst geplaatst wegens 'islamofobie'. Nu blijkt dat volgens Erdogan de NRC de religion-of-peace heeft beledigd ;-)

Sag.

Ja, Lagonda, er zijn er een hoop hoor, van die pro...

2007-08-26T18:10:00.000-07:00

Ja, Lagonda, er zijn er een hoop hoor, van die propaganda-jagers die verder niets te doen hebben. Geld zat dat wij aan de pomp afgeven voor de olie. Wel veel komma's in het engels van die zelfhatende shariasocialist. Of zou het een echte mohammedaan zijn geweest? Neh.
Al zou dat me wel troosten, wat zijn ze bang om op een kwaaie dag door ons er weer uitgeflikkerd te worden.
Gelukkig heb je snel door dat een discussie zinloos is. Ik zou zeggen: gooi het er gerust af.
Zelf vind ik je stukje over de gematigde islam het beste.
Keep up the good work!

Angelo

@Lagonda,Probeer je een column te vertalen voor En...

2007-08-26T16:06:00.000-07:00

@Lagonda,

Probeer je een column te vertalen voor Engelstalige fans en wie blijkt je grootste fan? Mr. anonymous de shariasocialist ;-)

Je komt dergelijke anti-Westerse logorr(h)oe wel vaker tegen en het lijkt alsof er een soort handleiding bestaat waarin genoemde 'feiten' alleen in bloedrode kapitalen worden geschreven. Op elke samenleving valt wel wat aan te merken, maar belangrijker is dat de standaardpraatjes meestal gewoon niet kloppen. Interesseert anoniempje uiteraard geen zier: he's on a road to nowhere en hij heeft haast. Che Guevara on speed.

Sag.

Yeah, and thank you well, he?

2007-08-26T06:16:00.000-07:00

Yeah, and thank you well, he?

Oh well Lagonda, your message will surely be come ...

2007-08-26T06:07:00.000-07:00

Oh well Lagonda, your message will surely be come across

bye

Jimmy

Ja, ik bedacht me zojuist dat ik voor een goede ve...

2007-08-26T05:12:00.000-07:00

Ja, ik bedacht me zojuist dat ik voor een goede vertaling eigenlijk een complete herinterpretatie zou moeten maken, en dan me proberen in te denken dat ik als een soort stand-up comedian dezelfde boodschap probeer over te brengen.

@Lagonda,Yep klopt helemaal, want nu je het zelf z...

2007-08-26T04:55:00.000-07:00

@Lagonda,

Yep klopt helemaal, want nu je het zelf zo zegt, eh.. had ik de indruk dat de ironie/bijtende spot in de (basis) Engelstalige versie wat minder uit de verf kwam. Het zou idd. best wel 'ns het gevolg kunnen zijn van letterlijk vertalen.
Lees momenteel America Alone van Mark Steyn. Zijn stijl biedt m.i. in 't (VS)-Engels iets wat ik wel vergelijkbaar vind met jouw Nederlandse artikelen. Wellicht leestip c.q. inspiratiebron voor stijl"vertaling"?

Sincerely,
Sag.

N.b. die komma's vallen me in Eng. txts op, omdat ik ze mis. Pas bij hardop voorlezen valt dat nadeel weg. Misschien lezen Engelstaligen zo hun boeken (alsof de txt hardop moet worden voorgedragen ;-)

Hey, bedankt allemaal! Ik waardeer jullie bijdrage...

2007-08-26T04:29:00.000-07:00

Hey, bedankt allemaal! Ik waardeer jullie bijdragen ten zeerste!

Sagunto: dat van die komma's had ik me ook al bedacht, ja. Best een lastig probleem, omdat mijn zinnen een heel typisch Nederlands ritme hebben, en die komma's dragen daar stiekem enorm aan bij. Eigenlijk moet ik veel minder letterlijk proberen te vertalen, besef ik me nu.

Poging tot bijdrage:No, those terrorist attacks ha...

2007-08-26T03:26:00.000-07:00

Poging tot bijdrage:

No, those terrorist attacks have got nothing to do with True Islam.

- No way those terrorist attacks have anything to do with True Islam.

True Islam shows us all the way to paradise on earth.

- True Islam shows all of us the way to paradise on earth.

But even though I really try, I can never seem to figure out what True Islam really stands for.

- But even though I've really tried, I never managed to figure out what True Islam really stands for. (in ieder geval geen seem, 2x vlak na elkaar)

How frightening! (klinkt voor Eng.taligen misschien onbedoeld iets te ironisch)

- That's terrifying!

Hmmm, it's all not really, shall we say, elevating literature, is it?

- Hmmm, this piece of literature is, shall we say, hardly elevating is it?

reach the wrong conclusions.

- draw [come to] the wrong conclusions.

because they have been locked away

- locked away as they've been

Is this, then, True Islam?

- Would that be True Islam then?

in which the entire population has to feed off the milk of three goats. [Feed off - Eat a food as part of an animals diet]

- in which the entire population has to be fed on the milk of three goats. [Feed on - Give someone a particular food]

splendors of your beautiful religion?

- splendours of your beautiful religion?

Your True Islam leans on exactly the same instincts as a pack of herding wolves.

- Your True Islam exactly follows [is led by] the same instincts as a pack of herding wolves. [wolves don't lean on instincts]

Grtz,
Sag.

N.b.: verder nog vaag vermoeden dat Engelstaligen aanzienlijk minder komma's gewend zijn in een txt.

"In fact, there's is anecdotal evidence about a ce...

2007-08-26T03:08:00.000-07:00

"In fact, there's is anecdotal evidence about a certain Teheran woman who went to the butcher all by herself to order three lamb chops, and for this, she was only mildly reprimanded by the clerical council. So Islamic women's lib is doing just fine!"

Hoi Lagonda, in bovenstaand stukje is "there's is" hetzelfde als "there is is", dus je kunt ofwel 's ofwel het woordje "is" weghalen.

Inderdaad. Tis gefixt. Dank!

2007-08-25T10:55:00.000-07:00

Inderdaad. Tis gefixt. Dank!

And here it says that Muslims should do their utmo...

2007-08-25T10:51:00.000-07:00

And here it says that Muslims should do their utmost best to

Lagonda, volgens mij is het zoner het woordje best. Keep up the good work